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welcome back to the disclosure team

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youtube channel

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i just want to give a quick shout out to

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my friend uap uk

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who's already donated with the super

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chat thank you so much brother that is

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so appreciated

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but guys we're here to speak to um a

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very important man in this subject

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um and i'll waste no more time in

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bringing him in so please welcome

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mr gary hesseltine hello gary

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thank you so much thank you for inviting

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me hey it's my pleasure and it's an

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honor to speak to you it really is

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so um thank you again

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and i thought we'd just start this off

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quite um quite

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in a standard way by just getting a bit

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of background on yourself

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and and how you got into this subject

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uh okay i had a childhood sighting at

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the age of 16 which we can maybe talk

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i had an interest but for many years i

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didn't really do anything about it other

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read books etc and then

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cutting a long story short i um

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came across a magazine called ufo

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magazine

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it was written by graham birdsall and it

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was in w.a smith's and i'm thinking wow

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this has come a long way since the 1970s

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and this is this glossy magazine and

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that kind of reworking my interest

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cutting a long story short within the

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last two years of his life i got to know

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him

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i'd and i'd suggested

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i'd had the idea for an uh police

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database on official national database

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right for police all collating british

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police officer cases

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and he very kindly said

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yeah we'll launch it in the january 2002

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issue of ufo magazine and that's where

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and the spin-off from that which i

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didn't anticipate and perhaps

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naively it was that i began to be asked

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by ufo groups to do lectures

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something i'd never done before um but

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what i found was that

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i'm far from being a shrinking violet i

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actually loved standing fraud in front

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of an audience and

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i enjoyed it so it came very easily to

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me and i've always found the media side

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uh easy whereas most of my colleagues in

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the police would run a mile

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that's amazing so let's talk about

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prufus the police database

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i mean i'm i've been familiar with it

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um so you say it was launched in 2002

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and is it still being updated to this

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day

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it is but not as often because basically

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what happened

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and i guess the second part of my life

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after having a six-year

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in the royal air force police and then a

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24-year career in the british transport

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police the last 19 years

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as a detective constable and an advanced

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i retired deliberately early because

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something compelled me to retire

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early and try to create a new magazine

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and the world had gone was beginning to

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and the costs of a print magazine were

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extortionate

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so uh in 2013 i retired

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after 24 years i could have gone on to

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30 but i retired early

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and launched ufo truth magazine it's

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bi-monthly

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96-page ezine and it features many of

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researchers in the world pretty much

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everybody you can think of has

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who is of any value i think and

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we're now up to issue 49

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which will be released and distributed

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tonight and tomorrow after this show

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wow and where can we find that because

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i'll certainly put all the details in

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the description all you have to do is

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magazine uh dot co dot uk

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and it will come up um so there you go

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and the police database

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is the proof force police database dot

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co dot uk and that comes up straight

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away

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well i'll make sure that all of the

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details are added to the description of

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this video afterwards because

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people i think would love to go and

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visit both of those things

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now um one of the cases that's always

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stuck in my head and i think i heard you

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talk about it many years ago

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and and i've only got a few small minor

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details that i remember but it was

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an incident involving two police

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village and i think it was a triumph

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are you able to expand on that because

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magazine and obviously the later work

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that we'll talk about with isa etc

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that was described as the size of three

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how do you know it was the size of three

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football fields he says well when we saw

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it was above three football fields

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science point of reference that's

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but actually in police terms that's what

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for example when somebody says oh it was

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about five to ten in the evening when i

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you said how do you know it was five to

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ten and said well i always put the

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kettle on five minutes before the end of

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coronation street that kind of thing

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three football fields so you've got a

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the size of a football field suddenly

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this object then starts scanning a beam

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the width of the craft across the

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terrain like it's scanning the surface

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do we report this what's the point kind

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superb and there's absolutely no reason

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officers are gonna make up something

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and the perceived risk to their career

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and certainly the golden rule is that if

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yeah i'll grant you confidentiality

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you are what you say you are so they

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police background checks for me to then

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and if that's fine then i totally

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and they get anonymity because we don't

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a risk to their career it's very real

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quick shout out to my good friend

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priscilla here thank you for the 499

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super chat just stopping through to send

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some love we'll watch later thank you so

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much priscilla

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and thank you gary for those i think it

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was those two stories you just told i

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think i'd mix them together in my head

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but they were yeah it was years ago that

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i heard them and it always stuck in

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somewhere so yeah thank you um

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so moving on i just wanted to briefly

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disclosure in 2013 and

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just a little bit about how you got

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literally what had happened was uh

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i'd been given the disclosure award by

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i also attended a next com ex

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conference that he'd set up as well so

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like two events

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in 2010 and i think from that

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just out of the blue he said well we've

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been given some money to sell this

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kind of mock congressional hearing and i

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actually said to him i said well that

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sounds really important where are you

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going to hold this is at the national

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press club

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which is where i got the disclosure

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award and i said i'd like to be involved

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in that if i may

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and he said yeah of course i was gonna

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ask you so that's how i got involved and

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i would still say to this day

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that is the most prestigious thing that

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i've been involved in because

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whilst it was not well covered by the

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what we tried to do was historic and so

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grandkids look back at you when you're

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that will stand up as a moment in ufo

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history that i'm proud to be a part of

286
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and he tried to do it in the right way

287
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everybody was sworn in

288
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there were literally about 40 witnesses

289
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you were timed to give your evidence

290
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although a lot of the witnesses totally

291
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went off that i tried not to

292
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um but but yeah it was done before one

293
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former

294
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and women

295
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and it was done very properly and

296
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it should have attracted more attention

297
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than it did but i guess

298
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there's political situations as to why

299
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that didn't happen but

300
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i think within the subject it will go

301
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down as one of those moments on the road

302
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to disclosure

303
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and i was extremely fortunate and proud

304
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to be a part of it

305
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it was fantastic i mean i was very

306
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involved with the subjects as far as

307
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research goes back then and

308
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watching it i was blown away i was so

309
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happy but then it did seem to

310
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disappear and you i found it very

311
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difficult to even look back

312
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and find the videos and stuff on youtube

313
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so well

314
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well if you if you remember i think i

315
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think there is a tale which i'm not

316
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going to tell

317
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i do know some of the background as to

318
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why it didn't maybe have the splash that

319
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it

320
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supposed to be released

321
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as a kind of a movie documentary yeah

322
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and you saw a poster was it called the

323
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truth embargo

324
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yeah and everybody thought wow this is

325
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going to be a really good documentary

326
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akin to the phenomenon or something like

327
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that but i think there were

328
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some things happen behind the scenes and

329
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it just never

330
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materialized subsequently i think

331
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six months a year down the line

332
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afterwards i received the full box set

333
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of everybody's interviews

334
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because having been a part of it so yeah

335
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those box sets do exist and i know that

336
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all the box sets of every interview was

337
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sent to every member of congress

338
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and the senate uh

339
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what they did with them is another

340
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matter but but yes they were sent out

341
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but yeah it was an amazing event and it

342
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was monday to friday and it was uh

343
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very prestigious in my eyes but poorly

344
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poorly attended

345
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by the world's tv tv media yeah

346
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absolutely

347
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if that if if that was to who have

348
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happened

349
00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:18,079
now or it was happening next week it

350
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would be wall-to-wall tv coverage i

351
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think

352
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know speaking point

353
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with everything that's been going on

354
00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:28,240
recently and we'll we'll talk about what

355
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you know the current situation in a

356
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little while but the final thing is

357
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obviously we're seeing the uh citizen

358
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hearing on disclosure videos now

359
00:12:38,710 --> 00:12:37,120
reappearing through people like i think

360
00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:38,720
jeremy corbell's got something to do

361
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he was very kindly uh tweeted recently

362
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and he showed my interview as a as part

363
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of his tweet

364
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at the citizens and i sent him a message

365
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saying thanks for that uh but

366
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yeah he's not replied but but i sent him

367
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a message to thank him because

368
00:13:04,710 --> 00:13:03,760
uh a lot of people said that the speech

369
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that i made

370
00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:07,120
and it was work and i'd practiced it and

371
00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:08,880
it was timed and everything

372
00:13:13,509 --> 00:13:10,800
uh that ran for about 10 and a half

373
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minutes uh got a big stun innovation

374
00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:15,040
kind of thing at the end and a round of

375
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applause and

376
00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:17,760
was one of a lot of people said it was a

377
00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:19,440
powerful interview but

378
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,600
never really got seen much after that so

379
00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:23,760
no it's a strange thing

380
00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:25,839
here's the iron here's the ironical

381
00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:27,440
thing is that

382
00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:30,560
uh having appeared at that

383
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i've never been asked to go back to

384
00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:34,639
america since so so i must have done

385
00:13:38,069 --> 00:13:36,160
something wrong i guess

386
00:13:39,829 --> 00:13:38,079
that's so strange you'd think you'd

387
00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:39,839
they'd be calling you up every week

388
00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:41,680
saying come on out do this do that

389
00:13:44,870 --> 00:13:44,000
that's that's bizarre i will let me

390
00:13:49,030 --> 00:13:44,880
there you may be

391
00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:49,040
going into the realms of politics yeah

392
00:13:52,870 --> 00:13:52,560
yes indeed um so no i'm like i said i'm

393
00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:52,880
just

394
00:13:57,509 --> 00:13:54,480
i was blown away by that citizens

395
00:13:59,829 --> 00:13:57,519
hearing um but let's move on to

396
00:14:01,590 --> 00:13:59,839
capal green this is something i heard

397
00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:01,600
about probably a good couple of years

398
00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:02,880
ago now possibly

399
00:14:08,310 --> 00:14:05,199
um and i was super excited about four

400
00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:08,320
years ago when i got involved

401
00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:11,120
in in july it will be four years in the

402
00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:11,920
making

403
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:15,120
wow and and and i think that what

404
00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:16,800
started

405
00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:20,240
originally has been a small film maybe

406
00:14:24,949 --> 00:14:22,399
about larry warren's involvement

407
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:24,959
then just grew and grew and the more

408
00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:26,560
that we did research

409
00:14:32,790 --> 00:14:30,560
i really then began a four year

410
00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:32,800
four years in july reinvestigation of

411
00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:33,600
the case

412
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:34,800
and i thought well if i'm going to do

413
00:14:38,230 --> 00:14:36,639
this for a documentary i want it to be a

414
00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:38,240
good documentary

415
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:40,560
i'm going to go back to day one after

416
00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:41,600
the incident

417
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:44,240
and just follow where the evidence goes

418
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:44,720
uh

419
00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:47,760
and i've done that and in the process of

420
00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:49,040
doing that

421
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:51,839
some surprising things happened both new

422
00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:52,480
and old

423
00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:54,880
information that i uncovered that i

424
00:14:59,030 --> 00:14:56,720
think is really relevant

425
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:59,040
to the story that's never been in any

426
00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:00,000
documentary

427
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:03,040
despite the 50 or 60 mainstream media

428
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:05,040
documentaries that's been made you'll

429
00:15:09,030 --> 00:15:06,720
find that there's a lot of

430
00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:09,040
facts absolute facts that are not

431
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:11,040
mentioned in any of these documentaries

432
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:13,519
and that says to me why as a former

433
00:15:16,310 --> 00:15:14,480
detective

434
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:16,320
so capable green will mention things

435
00:15:21,269 --> 00:15:18,240
that's never been in any documentary

436
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:21,279
old but also during the course the

437
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:25,440
investigation i spoke to

438
00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:28,639
old military witnesses in a new light

439
00:15:31,829 --> 00:15:29,920
that i'd had an int

440
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,839
discussion with them and was able to

441
00:15:35,030 --> 00:15:33,680
retrieve a lot more information because

442
00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:35,040
of my background training

443
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,480
i tried doing enhanced uh interviews

444
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:40,320
that and even not designed

445
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:42,320
for that but it worked and i got more

446
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:43,360
information

447
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:46,320
and some startling things came out plus

448
00:15:49,509 --> 00:15:47,360
we got some

449
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:49,519
new witnesses here and there that have

450
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,639
come along and

451
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,480
military witnesses that have given

452
00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:54,079
testimony

453
00:15:59,509 --> 00:15:58,079
and if you've seen from the trailers uh

454
00:16:01,829 --> 00:15:59,519
that we've put out because i think we've

455
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:01,839
put out five now

456
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,639
yeah the the the there are three

457
00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:06,399
precursor cases

458
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:09,040
that we talk about that happened during

459
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:10,079
1980

460
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:12,079
in the build-up and they've all been

461
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:13,440
filmed and

462
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:16,800
testimony taken from them on camera and

463
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:18,800
you know for these people who live in

464
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:20,720
cloud cuckoo land that it's nothing to

465
00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:21,440
do

466
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:24,880
with uh et or some kind of

467
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:28,240
non-terrestrial uh intelligence

468
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,680
they're living in cloud cuckoo land

469
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:31,440
because it's not just a couple of

470
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:32,160
incidents

471
00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,040
when you break it down and that's what

472
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,360
i've done i've broken it down

473
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:41,600
and there are many multiple incidents a

474
00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:42,560
lot more

475
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:45,040
uh to come out and there's a lot of new

476
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:46,639
information to come out

477
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,560
so that's that's that's kind of a hint

478
00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:49,680
on where now

479
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:52,480
am i frustrated yes because we're into a

480
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:54,800
into the fourth year nobody

481
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,759
anticipated this taking as long and it's

482
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:59,759
just grown and grown and we've now got

483
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:00,959
something like

484
00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:04,079
65 hours of material for what

485
00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:06,000
is a maximum of two and a half hours

486
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:08,079
film i'm not an editor

487
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,839
and i'm glad i don't have that uh skill

488
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,919
because it would be a nightmare i think

489
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:14,959
to edit

490
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,679
65 hours down into two and a half hours

491
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:19,760
which is an extremely long time

492
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:22,480
for a documentary anyway most would be

493
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,360
under that

494
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,640
but i think that's what we're looking at

495
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,720
two and a half hours but we've got some

496
00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,240
absolutely incredible stuff

497
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:30,799
and uh hopefully we'll be out by the end

498
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:33,360
of the year and it should really kind of

499
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,039
rewrite the narrative

500
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:38,160
on renlution forest well that's that's

501
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:39,679
makes me want to see it even more i've

502
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:40,000
been

503
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,760
good couple of years now did the

504
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:45,679
global pandemic did that hit the

505
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,200
production hard did its

506
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,520
did that hold it back yeah yes yes in

507
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:50,960
the sense of that

508
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:53,919
i'd made a series of visits uh to and

509
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:56,880
done some editing with the director dion

510
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,960
and uh of course i wasn't able to do

511
00:18:01,909 --> 00:18:00,080
that during the lockdown

512
00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:01,919
periods so he's done a lot of it

513
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,600
remotely uh

514
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:06,160
but there you go so it's ongoing

515
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:07,280
hopefully

516
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,880
it's going to be out this year it should

517
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,880
be out this year because

518
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,200
up until the december the 28th is still

519
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,520
the 40th anniversary year so

520
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,280
i sincerely hope it will be out this

521
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,120
year i certainly hope so

522
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:21,840
thank you so much i mean it i did want

523
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:23,440
to speak a little bit about rendushan

524
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,360
but i feel like we should probably wait

525
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,360
for the documentary

526
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:29,600
no you you can speak about the case as

527
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:30,720
such because

528
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:34,480
uh because the the reinvestigation was

529
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:36,640
just not on one area it's the whole case

530
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:37,440
that i've done

531
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:38,640
and i've obviously been the lead

532
00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:40,400
researchers so in a sense it's a

533
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:42,160
reinvestigation of everything so you can

534
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:43,120
ask me things

535
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:44,960
i might not tell you them if they're

536
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:46,480
sensitive to the film

537
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:47,919
but sure you can certainly ask some

538
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,679
questions well i think

539
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:51,440
i didn't have any specific questions

540
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:52,960
really lined up for it i think it was

541
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,600
focusing around capable green and

542
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:57,440
i didn't realize that it was all this

543
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:59,120
new information which because one of my

544
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,000
questions was

545
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:02,000
is there any new information and you've

546
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:03,120
clearly just

547
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,320
answered that for me um and i won't

548
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,880
there there is there is in excess of 20

549
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,720
pieces of new information

550
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,720
right i mean i'm not going to push you

551
00:19:15,669 --> 00:19:14,400
on that unless you want to tell us

552
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,679
well i'm not going to no i'm not going

553
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:17,679
to tell you but what i'm saying is it

554
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:20,559
is 20 plus yeah and it's key information

555
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,080
to the story

556
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,640
that in my mind as a former detective

557
00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:26,400
should be in the public domain

558
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:29,200
this is i think highly relevant to the

559
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,799
story

560
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,720
i think i think some people are in for a

561
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,320
bit of a shock

562
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,799
that's so exciting but let's talk about

563
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,480
isa i think

564
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:40,160
that's what i've been really excited

565
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:41,760
about since i heard about the

566
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:45,039
the you know it forming and that um

567
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,400
so can you just give us a little bit of

568
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,559
background of where it came from who was

569
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,440
involved and

570
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,760
and yeah and then we can go on friday

571
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,720
okay

572
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:54,320
well let's talk about ice and i

573
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:56,000
appreciate you giving me the opportunity

574
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:56,880
to raise this

575
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,919
uh i think it's very important uh isis

576
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,880
stands for the

577
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,240
international coalition for

578
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:04,080
extraterrestrial research

579
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:07,520
and basically it is a global

580
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:10,640
approach uh to the subject towards

581
00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:11,840
disclosure

582
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,120
and it comprises scientists

583
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:17,520
academics and leading ufo uap

584
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,320
researchers

585
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,720
i still like the word ufo i hate saying

586
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:21,840
you still love the word

587
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,120
for it's far sexier than uh but anyway

588
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:26,640
there you go we've got to be politically

589
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:29,919
correct so ufo uap

590
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,960
um and uh at the moment we have got

591
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:34,880
national representatives

592
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,840
in 27 countries and some of them have

593
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,320
got deputy national representatives

594
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:43,039
on five continents now the idea is to

595
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,159
expand

596
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,960
now we're not a ufo group we are an

597
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,080
international

598
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,960
ngo non-government organization we are

599
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,159
registered

600
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,280
legally for the eu in portugal

601
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,400
where one of our national

602
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,960
representatives is and the reason why we

603
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,480
did portugal is because we wanted to

604
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,320
take it away from america

605
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,120
and uk being dominant in the subject

606
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:07,120
especially america so we wanted to take

607
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,600
it away from the american side of things

608
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:12,240
and make it central as it were to europe

609
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,120
and

610
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:16,240
we have got 15 national representatives

611
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,520
from europe we cover australia new

612
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:20,720
zealand

613
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,760
america canada and then

614
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,679
in south america we've got six countries

615
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:27,760
and then we just two countries in asia

616
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,559
at the moment

617
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,120
which is sri lanka and japan we're

618
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,120
currently looking to identify

619
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:35,840
more so why is isa being created and

620
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,159
where

621
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,440
actually stems out of

622
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,559
a failed chinese disclosure initiative

623
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:45,039
which some people may have read about uh

624
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,799
over the last two or three years

625
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,880
yeah basically what happened was about

626
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,400
three years ago

627
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:52,400
roberto pernotti was the president of

628
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,440
isa

629
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,760
uh he's a very experienced italian

630
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,960
researcher

631
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,440
with over 50 years experience multiple

632
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,440
author on the subject

633
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,679
former military officer an excellent

634
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:05,120
choice to be the president

635
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,039
and uh he and don schmidt who is the

636
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,200
leading expert on roswell

637
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:14,480
were invited to go to china

638
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:18,559
three times in 2018

639
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,280
to have discussions with a chinese group

640
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,320
ufo group all expenses paid uh

641
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,640
etc which is a bit unusual but anyway

642
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,080
they went

643
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:33,200
and the idea from the chinese

644
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,080
ufo group was to set up a 30 country

645
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,280
uh coalition right and they were

646
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,440
they knew that because we had contacts

647
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:44,640
around the world

648
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,159
they saw that to invite americans

649
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,360
europeans

650
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,200
we would know who the best people to

651
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,960
approach in terms of national

652
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,520
representatives so it was a good idea

653
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:58,320
um and then from that they were then

654
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,200
tasked

655
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,440
or told that there would be a conference

656
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:02,960
in moscow

657
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,720
in october 2018 and

658
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,520
for them to go away and try to recruit

659
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:10,799
several people

660
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,159
to this project now fortunately uh don

661
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,159
smith who i'd met before and he did

662
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,760
he'd given a lecture at one of my

663
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,760
conferences in home for

664
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,919
uh the ufo truth magazine conferences in

665
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:24,159
honduras uh we got on well and

666
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,520
he invited me to uh to join

667
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,360
and i thought wow moscow i've always

668
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:31,360
wanted to go to moscow cold war been in

669
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,240
the military

670
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,760
it was always a place that was off

671
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,919
limits and yet it looked a beautiful

672
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,559
city

673
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,320
and obviously it's got that cold war

674
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:39,600
kind of uh

675
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,720
spy story element to it so for me

676
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,799
it was like i must go on moscow so

677
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,039
anyway it was not easy to get to you had

678
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,799
to jump through a lot of stuff

679
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:51,039
to get through it uh like unlike any

680
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,919
other country but

681
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,240
eventually i did several dashes to

682
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,520
manchester london

683
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:58,159
but anyway managed to get the visa and

684
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,960
everything

685
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:01,200
and uh honestly i had five days in

686
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:02,159
moscow

687
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,480
you'd associate it with

688
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:09,440
uh freezing snow and whatever freezing

689
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,159
temperatures

690
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,919
we went through a heatwave and it was

691
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,159
fantastic it was t-shirt weather it was

692
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,400
like being on a holiday in spain

693
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,159
and i had five days there and it was

694
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,520
fantastic but

695
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,159
in effect uh there was eight to eight of

696
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,279
us that went

697
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:26,640
including don and roberto and uh we

698
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,400
held talks over three days of the five

699
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,440
um on a friday saturday sunday

700
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:36,480
um with the leader of this chinese

701
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:40,240
youth group and uh we

702
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,600
we uh ironed out some things straight

703
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,120
away like we said

704
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,159
we will adopt one country one vote

705
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,919
so no matter what the size of the

706
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,080
country is there's no bigger influence

707
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,159
yeah which is a big thing so china only

708
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:55,919
gets one vote you don't get a stack

709
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,400
or the russia doesn't get a stack of

710
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,760
votes to get one vote

711
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,400
so even the smallest country uh would

712
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,760
have one vote and i think

713
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,760
thought that was a very strong principle

714
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,880
to adhere to

715
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,400
definitely can't get it really any more

716
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,480
democratic than that

717
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:13,440
we we also said that if you are serious

718
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,320
about this

719
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:17,039
we will go away and try to get the 30

720
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,559
countries together

721
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,919
but what are you going to do and they

722
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,480
said well actually we are

723
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,880
we've already purchased some land in

724
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:25,919
china

725
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,880
in a city that has links to the

726
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:30,799
premier's wife

727
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,760
and uh we are going to build a specific

728
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:34,799
headquarters

729
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,159
for this new organization

730
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,240
and it was going to be akin to being a

731
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:42,720
bit like the u.n in the way that they

732
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:43,039
were

733
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:46,480
envisioning it alas after that we said

734
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,360
well okay

735
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,880
um where's the money coming from they

736
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,640
said well we can't say

737
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:53,440
i said okay um but that was the state of

738
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,840
play

739
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,400
as we left moscow but what we had said

740
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,320
is that if you're serious

741
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,720
you need to show us some good faith uh

742
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:01,760
we are

743
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:04,799
requesting uh uh to bring

744
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:07,120
some representatives some prospective

745
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:07,919
people

746
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,200
to china uh in uh february march of 2019

747
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:15,279
and they said yeah okay and so

748
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,400
everything at first

749
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,679
seemed great and then we didn't hear

750
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:21,600
anything and we would send messages and

751
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,640
there was nothing

752
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,440
and we kind of got mixed messages that

753
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:27,520
something that had happened in china

754
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,520
whether it was chinese u.s relations had

755
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,600
maybe soured or i'm not sure trade

756
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,559
negotiated

757
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,640
we don't we were never told but suffice

758
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,679
to say that the

759
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,520
conference didn't happen so then we

760
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,880
waited and waited

761
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,919
and we said okay uh

762
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,880
we'll wait until the anniversary of the

763
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:49,760
moscow conference which was october 2019

764
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,240
a year

765
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,120
later and if it's not happened by then

766
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,200
it probably isn't going to happen

767
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,679
so that approached and we didn't hear

768
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,320
any things

769
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,120
and so it came and went and we realized

770
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:02,880
at that point there that it for whatever

771
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,600
reason

772
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,240
the chinese initiative element was dead

773
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,880
but by then we'd probably identified

774
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:11,120
19 or 20 potential national

775
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,400
representatives

776
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,559
right and and i kept thinking i kept

777
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,400
saying that donna roberto it'd be

778
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,760
real shame to lose the good will

779
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,919
that would built up and the basic idea

780
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,120
that we'd ruled out

781
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:25,679
that we'd thought of and the other thing

782
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,159
that came from moscow that was really

783
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,080
important was that i suggested that all

784
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,159
of us sign an oath

785
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:34,640
so we don't uh we're all on the same

786
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,279
page

787
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,240
now we we know that new photology

788
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,640
diverse opinion is rife

789
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:43,360
not always good and sometimes it's very

790
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,080
uh

791
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,640
you know not very nice but suffice to

792
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,200
say history has never been very good

793
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:51,120
with international organizations from

794
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,320
the uf forefront

795
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,760
because basically my group is better

796
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,000
than your group new york groups

797
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:58,240
and a lot of egos get in the way and

798
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,120
unfortunately

799
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,840
that's probably why we've never

800
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,840
progressed over the last 50 years or so

801
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,039
politically

802
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,039
yeah creating pressure because we've not

803
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,120
been able to organize ourselves

804
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,760
well i said when we met with the chinese

805
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,440
we should have a principle that if we're

806
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,559
all in agreement

807
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,480
we should have a north that binds us all

808
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,240
together and the oauth

809
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,159
is basically this and it's dead simple

810
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,640
if you're happy to assign it

811
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,799
it's after 70 years of worldwide

812
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,840
research

813
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,640
we believe that the phenomena is real

814
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,000
and we think that it acts with

815
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:32,080
intelligence there you go it's laid out

816
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,360
nice and clear

817
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,360
and that we believe it's likely to be

818
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,360
extraterrestrial or non-human in

819
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,360
in origin so there you go we've nailed

820
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,640
our colors to the mast

821
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,799
do you want to sign that and everybody

822
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,640
that becomes a part of isa

823
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,520
has to sign that off the very first

824
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,880
thing that they do

825
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:51,440
and once that office sound then they are

826
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,640
admitted into isa

827
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,399
so that gets rid of a lot of people who

828
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,159
like to be involved in the subject

829
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,720
who spent a lifetime in the subject but

830
00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:00,240
were still really skeptical and they

831
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,200
can't commit

832
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,039
so that's how you separate the wheat

833
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,320
from the chaff

834
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,559
and the idea of doing the oath was

835
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,760
really to say well

836
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,279
if you're going to be a part of us we

837
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,200
should all believe the same thing

838
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,039
that makes sense oh you know it makes

839
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,880
sense it's going to bind us together

840
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,440
that's our core belief so that's what

841
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:19,200
happens and so everybody who is a

842
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:20,559
national representative

843
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,320
has had to sign that off

844
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,480
the very first thing that they have to

845
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,799
do to become an iso representative

846
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,799
and that's working great and what i can

847
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,520
say is that what happened was

848
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,240
obviously we got into early 2020 nothing

849
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,159
had come from the anniversary of the

850
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,799
moscow event and with twiddling our

851
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,600
thumbs

852
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,480
and then a strange can the thing uh

853
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,159
happens in the sense of

854
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,679
there aren't many positives to the

855
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,880
pandemic and lockdowns etc but one of

856
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:51,760
the things that

857
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,960
is definitely a plus is that everybody

858
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,799
started zooming each other

859
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,039
and used in the internet to talk to each

860
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,799
other and visually see each other

861
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,440
yes we'd add skype around and whatever

862
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,720
but basically

863
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:07,039
you suddenly with a thrust into that is

864
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,240
the only way

865
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:09,840
you are going to be able to talk to your

866
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,159
relatives and children and whatever so

867
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,480
it really speeded up the process

868
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,320
probably by several years

869
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,240
and suddenly everybody's talking my zoom

870
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,760
and i'm thinking

871
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,120
we shouldn't let this go all this

872
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:22,880
goodwill so i suddenly

873
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,480
in june of 2020 said

874
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,960
i'm going to take out a pro zoom account

875
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,159
and i'm going to start

876
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,720
organizing the event and let's get

877
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:34,240
organizing let's see if we can do it

878
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,120
ourselves

879
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:37,840
and so that's what i did so in a sense i

880
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,120
didn't have to give myself a

881
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,760
huge rod for my own back because i now

882
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:43,520
have to do all the minutes and run all

883
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,480
the meetings

884
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:47,039
uh which i've done for every meeting uh

885
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:47,600
so

886
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:50,799
can say is

887
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,559
that um we hold meetings perhaps three

888
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,600
times a week

889
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,919
we have different working groups but

890
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,840
these are truly international meetings

891
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,640
where you've got

892
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:03,200
14 or 15 countries representatives

893
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,080
obviously there's

894
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,480
certain countries with time delays it's

895
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,399
difficult finding that balance

896
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,080
when you're dealing with a global

897
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,080
network as it were but we have some

898
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,440
fantastic discussions

899
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,080
and honestly and i think this goes back

900
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,000
to the point of the off

901
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,880
is that never once in any of the

902
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,720
meetings that i've chaired

903
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,279
since june of 2020 which is now must be

904
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,559
summer 100 meetings

905
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,559
we've never had a wrong word with any of

906
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,960
us because we're all on the same page

907
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,880
and we have some really stimulating

908
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,480
discussions and

909
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:37,760
basically we we spent 11 months uh

910
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:40,399
preparing so from june until the 25th of

911
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,120
may

912
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,679
which is when we launched publicly and

913
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:45,679
we launched on the 25th

914
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:49,200
of may strategically to be a month ahead

915
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:49,640
of the

916
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,320
and actually it worked perfect

917
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:56,640
kind of we'd heard on the grapevine that

918
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:57,919
it was going to be delayed so

919
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,919
the fact that it came out a month was

920
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,519
great for us absolutely

921
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:04,399
so we strategically placed ourselves and

922
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,200
we have

923
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,159
gone public and we would class ourselves

924
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,840
in the first phase

925
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,640
uh our launch phase and establishment

926
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:13,440
this is where

927
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:15,760
we're trying to establish ourselves in

928
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,720
the media

929
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,640
and and hence why i'm grateful for the

930
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,760
likes of yourself

931
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,600
for reaching out and allowing me to talk

932
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,440
about it because we are

933
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,600
this is definitely where we're trying to

934
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,799
position ourselves

935
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,880
what i can tell you is that in the in

936
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,200
the few days before the launch

937
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,279
we had a meeting with louise elizondo

938
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,720
with isa officials

939
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,880
and i asked him on behalf of isil lots

940
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,480
of questions and

941
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,480
on behalf of other members i asked him

942
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,840
the questions and he was very kindly

943
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,799
give us that time

944
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,559
it was a private discussion so i won't

945
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,120
go into that but this is the kind of

946
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:49,360
level that we're talking about the the

947
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:50,240
isa

948
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,000
uh was deemed to be a very

949
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,799
useful well-timed initiative that you

950
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,240
know was coming out

951
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,960
and he wanted the global approach so in

952
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,159
a sense

953
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:04,000
nobody else is doing what we're doing

954
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,360
and what we're basically saying is

955
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,399
the way things are going a year ago

956
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,720
if you'd have said to a ufologist you're

957
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:14,799
going to be in a two-horse race

958
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,840
uh as to ect

959
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,000
or it's foreign technology but

960
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:21,679
ufologists would have snapped your hand

961
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,159
off

962
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,600
because it would have been anything of

963
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,279
50 things a year ago

964
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,120
but then it was narrowed down narrowed

965
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:29,120
down to three

966
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,320
and then of course the americans are

967
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,399
saying it's not all it's not us

968
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,960
no no no you you you can be deceptive

969
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,480
here and thinking well

970
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,279
do we believe them and they probably

971
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,559
aren't being as

972
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,360
truthful as they can be so i suspect

973
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,279
there is a lot of stuff that's still

974
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,279
in special access programs that are

975
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:49,039
close to people who need to know yeah

976
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,960
etc however on the broad basis

977
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,399
they're saying it's not always doing

978
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,399
these these uh repeated

979
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,960
uh swarms etcetera etcetera yeah that's

980
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,760
important

981
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,000
so in a sense so in a sense we've gone

982
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,279
from a three-horse race

983
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,919
to a two-horse race so we're now 50 50

984
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,440
with foreign technology

985
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,679
and if you know the subject it's dead

986
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:11,760
easy to get rid of the 50 50

987
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:14,079
uh the foreign technology angle because

988
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,800
one

989
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:17,040
history says that the things that are

990
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,240
flying around now

991
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,280
are described 70 years ago flying around

992
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,200
and if you and if you go to the twining

993
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,280
memo which is in this month's

994
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,079
issue of your truth magazine as a

995
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,320
reminder to say look

996
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,079
you know nathan twining is saying in

997
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:34,240
1947 these things are real and not

998
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,679
fictitious

999
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,919
and there it can exhibit rates of climb

1000
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:39,520
that we just can't get anywhere near

1001
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:42,639
that was said in 1947 and there's been

1002
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,159
all this prevarication and standoff and

1003
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,599
cover-up by the us

1004
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:49,040
authorities and i'm sorry there is a

1005
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:50,639
cover-up it's with that shadow without

1006
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,440
the governor

1007
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:54,240
for 70 years they have not been honest

1008
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,879
with the

1009
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,119
american public and because america has

1010
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,400
dominated the subject

1011
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,640
effectively that meant the world looked

1012
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,240
at it that way

1013
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,240
but we are we're into a totally

1014
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,599
different world now

1015
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,880
and so literally isa comes along

1016
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,599
and he's there to start saying if we can

1017
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,960
get global tv

1018
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,560
and this is what i'm pushing for is to

1019
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,800
get onto global u.s networks

1020
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,800
because that's when we'll reach millions

1021
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,560
so if there are people out there

1022
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:21,839
listening to this

1023
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,599
i would like to talk on us tv

1024
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,920
about isa because we need to broaden

1025
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,200
this discussion

1026
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:31,359
to a global approach there is only one

1027
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,320
earth

1028
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,960
there is only one human race and this is

1029
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,599
getting lost in this

1030
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:39,280
american-centric view of things and it's

1031
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,599
not

1032
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,200
really louise elizondo's fault because

1033
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:45,680
whatever one thinks of the suspicions

1034
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,240
around

1035
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,280
louise elizondo and people do have

1036
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:50,880
natural questions because he's a he's

1037
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,670
however the first thing i said to him

1038
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,839
before we got into the the the questions

1039
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,599
that we were asking him for isa

1040
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,839
i said i i just want to personally thank

1041
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,680
you for i don't know how the hell you

1042
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,520
got the three videos out

1043
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,839
but without those three videos we'd

1044
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,359
still be nowhere near this

1045
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,280
we wouldn't be having this discussion we

1046
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,960
wouldn't be on the edge of a disclosure

1047
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,599
path

1048
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,200
uh those three videos were a game

1049
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,880
changer so i said to him

1050
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,320
however you managed to get them out

1051
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,440
whatever stunts that you pulled

1052
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,680
you did the world a great uh service

1053
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,839
because for the first time

1054
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,680
it wasn't really for the public that i

1055
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,440
think it made a huge impression

1056
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,440
it was for the press because for the

1057
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,200
press for the first time

1058
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,680
especially the last video the go fast

1059
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,880
where it's skimming

1060
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,480
low across the surface of the water

1061
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,800
really fast for the first time when it

1062
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:46,400
locks on and you see this little white

1063
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,040
blob

1064
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,359
zipping along and the the pilots are

1065
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:54,710
for the first time the mainstream media

1066
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:56,240
could go what

1067
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,000
is that and they never had anything

1068
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,599
tangible that was provenanced before

1069
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,079
and this is what's made the game changer

1070
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,160
and so those three videos

1071
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,839
not just the new york times article

1072
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,440
which is strategically important that

1073
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,320
announced it

1074
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,240
but those three videos are something

1075
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,599
visual they

1076
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,839
they are tangible and the press could

1077
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,280
then say what is that

1078
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:20,800
and i think that's why there's been

1079
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,200
media interest and yes the grainy

1080
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,440
and yes louise elizondo said he's seen

1081
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,119
lots better videos

1082
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,920
now really what we should be doing now

1083
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,280
is saying

1084
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,119
okay we should be banging in freedom

1085
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,880
information acts which i'm sure john

1086
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:36,320
greenwood is doing who's it he really

1087
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,040
has

1088
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,960
he he he's he's great and i'm i'm

1089
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,960
friends with john and he's the world's

1090
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,839
leading

1091
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,440
foi guy with that shadow without the

1092
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,920
black that's amazing and

1093
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,880
he is doing his utmost to push and push

1094
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,079
now

1095
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,240
from an iso point of view we want to get

1096
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,560
onto the global

1097
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:57,280
tv i guess so that we can say look

1098
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,160
there's two things

1099
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,400
those three things that isa can do in a

1100
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,079
different way

1101
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,359
there is obviously obvious objects now

1102
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:07,680
it's now gone behind gone beyond lights

1103
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,560
in the sky

1104
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,680
we are talking about craft so this is

1105
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:13,200
the key thing we're talking about

1106
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,240
structured craft

1107
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,160
flying around in the us airspace with

1108
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,000
impunity so that's now

1109
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,920
a big game changer we're talking about

1110
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,599
craft we're not talking about

1111
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,359
lights anymore and we're not talking

1112
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:25,359
about was it misidentification no we're

1113
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,560
talking about craft

1114
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:29,119
so that's some huge leap forward

1115
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,560
strategically

1116
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,760
so yes technically if there is something

1117
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:36,480
flying around in the us airspace with

1118
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,359
impunity

1119
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,520
technically that is an air safety threat

1120
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:40,800
i can absolutely

1121
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,599
i can buy that and and of course uh i

1122
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,359
think everybody can understand that

1123
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:48,400
however what we've got to guard against

1124
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,920
and especially within this subject

1125
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,400
we have lots of many factions and there

1126
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:56,720
will be those saying oh it's demons it's

1127
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:57,200
uh

1128
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,520
false

1129
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,240
and all these kind of things well really

1130
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,160
we we want to come along and say look

1131
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,240
yes technically there is a threat

1132
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,680
element there course there is a snare

1133
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,800
safety issue

1134
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,000
however if isa gets to this world

1135
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,640
level of in the media then we can say

1136
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:18,400
but actually history would suggest

1137
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,119
otherwise

1138
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,880
because if you look at the history of

1139
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
the last 70 75 years

1140
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:25,040
there is no per you know pervasive

1141
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:26,480
threat element there

1142
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,839
they could have done whatever they

1143
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:30,079
wanted to do 70 years ago exactly they

1144
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,040
were gonna do it

1145
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,800
so i think that's a good point to bring

1146
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,400
in also

1147
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,040
we isa comes along and says we should be

1148
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,160
dealing now with the what-if question

1149
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:43,200
now we're in a 50-50 race from a media's

1150
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,000
point of view

1151
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,760
but we know that which where the race is

1152
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,160
going to end and who's going to win

1153
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,560
because the more research is done the

1154
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,079
more scientific data

1155
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,720
is collected the more startling the

1156
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:56,320
performance characteristics these

1157
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,599
objects are going to be

1158
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,200
and it's going to rule out foreign

1159
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,280
technology but we can also rule out

1160
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,400
foreign technology

1161
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,800
easily because of the history so we

1162
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,000
think we should be talking about the

1163
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,680
history

1164
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,680
so what do we so we think that what if

1165
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:11,280
questions should be looked at

1166
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:15,040
now as if to say what if it is real

1167
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,040
and in a year's time we find out it's

1168
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,280
real do we then walk into a brick wall

1169
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,200
of psychological shock

1170
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,480
which some people would find

1171
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,599
or do we start preparing people now that

1172
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,920
actually this might be the eventuality

1173
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,400
and what isa is proposing and developing

1174
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,079
as we speak

1175
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,800
are awareness programs educational

1176
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,319
awareness programs

1177
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,160
designed for all sectors of society

1178
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:45,119
like aviation industry like for the

1179
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:45,839
media

1180
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:50,319
because literally 95

1181
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,560
of the public and the media are clueless

1182
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:57,040
and you can actually see this uh you can

1183
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,920
actually see this

1184
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,400
when the mainstream journalists are like

1185
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,560
going i can't believe i'm asking this on

1186
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,319
on a serious news forum and they're

1187
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,400
having uh four discussions prior to the

1188
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,520
dna coming out

1189
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,839
uh i saw chris cuomo on cnn he's going i

1190
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:16,230
uh but they're in denial they're in

1191
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,880
denial

1192
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,640
now there's two ways you can look at the

1193
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,480
media you can look at

1194
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:22,319
and say they are complicit in the

1195
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,599
cover-up

1196
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:26,240
or if we're being kind they are victims

1197
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:27,280
of the cover-up

1198
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,319
and they've been duped now i don't think

1199
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:32,319
it serves any purpose to say that

1200
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:32,960
they're

1201
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,200
going to talk to us if we do that

1202
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,440
so we have to rely on the media now and

1203
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,560
say okay

1204
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,839
you've been a victim and but now you

1205
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,680
have a real part to play

1206
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,119
and i am hoping that because

1207
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,280
the media now realize that there's

1208
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,040
something tangible there

1209
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,920
and this report the dna report

1210
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,920
absolutely leaves it wide open for

1211
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,119
interpretation

1212
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,960
and if you want to read negative things

1213
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,960
into it some people read negative things

1214
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,119
but it's actually it's actually a

1215
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,359
seismic sea changing attitude

1216
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,839
and reading between the lines this is

1217
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,359
better than i hoped for

1218
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,920
yes it's a short report i we were led to

1219
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:15,599
believe it was going to be 60 70 pages

1220
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,240
whatever

1221
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,520
but in the end it's dynamite especially

1222
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:21,200
when it's backed up with the enactment

1223
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:22,560
by kathleen hicks

1224
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:26,400
to say that now all the us military

1225
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,280
services

1226
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:30,079
have got to be standardized formalized

1227
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,599
and they have to report

1228
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,960
ufo uap activity within 14 days in a

1229
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,720
standardized manner

1230
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,880
that's never happened before not even

1231
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,319
come close

1232
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,480
absolutely so if you know what's been

1233
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:44,000
happening and you know a bit of the

1234
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,640
history

1235
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,280
we're in a seismic sea change and yes it

1236
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,440
doesn't look very exciting but it is

1237
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,560
because we are setting in motion formal

1238
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,640
procedures to study this subject

1239
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,680
in a serious way that's never been done

1240
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,040
in 70 years

1241
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:01,760
yes there has been secret studies in the

1242
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,400
past

1243
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,480
but they've been under like lock and key

1244
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,319
you didn't know they were happening

1245
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,079
you know the battelle institute report

1246
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:09,520
project blue book

1247
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:12,160
special report 14 it kind of got lost in

1248
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,640
the midst

1249
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,200
it wasn't widely covered but now we live

1250
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,119
in this media age where things can just

1251
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,040
go go around the world viral

1252
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:21,119
so this is a big deal that they are now

1253
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,480
taking it serious

1254
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,640
now one of the things that we would be

1255
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,480
critical of in isa is that

1256
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,800
they don't mention the history before

1257
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,079
2004

1258
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,000
and again why isa wants to come along

1259
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,839
and say lastly there's a very big

1260
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:34,640
history

1261
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,960
uh we don't talk they don't talk really

1262
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,319
about the nuclear issue

1263
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,160
and there's a massive nuclear

1264
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:41,359
correlation

1265
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,560
but i think it's as louise

1266
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,440
on i think he's right he's saying that

1267
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,640
it's a process

1268
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:51,760
and bits by bit is coming out

1269
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,800
now what i found staggering the most

1270
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,079
staggering thing for me

1271
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,160
was not the fact that they said 18 of

1272
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,800
these cases displayed technology

1273
00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:03,440
not yet invented basically for me it was

1274
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:04,760
the fact that

1275
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,720
143 pilots were as blind as bats

1276
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,960
and couldn't identify what they're

1277
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,760
looking at with all the sophisticated

1278
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:16,000
might people haven't thought about the

1279
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:17,200
implications of that

1280
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,960
and the press need to because 143 pilots

1281
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,640
on military personnel

1282
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,640
could not identify what they were

1283
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,319
looking at despite

1284
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,680
all the top sensor uh

1285
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,880
data you know equipment that they have

1286
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:35,359
the might of america's technology can't

1287
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,000
identify

1288
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,280
143 144 now

1289
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,359
i find that staggering but of course a

1290
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:42,800
lot of people

1291
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,240
don't realize what's going on and

1292
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,280
i i saw today for the first time this

1293
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,440
discussion in the house of lords

1294
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,000
you know where baroness goldie was

1295
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,160
basically asked a series of questions

1296
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:59,119
and various people stood up and

1297
00:45:01,589 --> 00:45:00,400
basically pooh-poohed it

1298
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:01,599
oh but it doesn't mean it's not

1299
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:07,030
they're all living in cloud clucku land

1300
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:08,240
in reality

1301
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,280
if they don't look at the data

1302
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,880
and they need to look at the data

1303
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:15,040
because it's the data

1304
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,680
that is persuasive you know

1305
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:21,040
sorry i was just going to say will you

1306
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:22,880
be going directly

1307
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:26,000
to the us to the uk government as i said

1308
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,440
to try and

1309
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,280
give that sea change on their their

1310
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,640
thinking

1311
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:32,720
yes when we when we launched as part of

1312
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,440
our launch in the 27 countries

1313
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,480
all of us did an email blitz

1314
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:41,839
and a letter physical snail mail letter

1315
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:45,599
to each of the countries uh presidents

1316
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,720
or political leaders uh heads of

1317
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,839
defense etc now most of those have not

1318
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,040
been responded to

1319
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,280
but that is what we're trying to do is

1320
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,520
we as isa we want to take this to the

1321
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,200
highest levels of governance

1322
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,800
and say look you have to take this

1323
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,800
seriously and

1324
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,599
the fact that uh britain has adopted an

1325
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,040
attitude that was

1326
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,119
a bit odd really because usually we for

1327
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,960
follow america's lead so i did think

1328
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,720
that we would probably do a report

1329
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:15,599
but we haven't but now they've left

1330
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:16,640
themselves open

1331
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,680
for what i think is going to be a lot of

1332
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,240
potential uh questions especially when

1333
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:24,079
we start talking about rendelsham forest

1334
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,359
in a few months time

1335
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,880
because they'll be given a lot of

1336
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,599
testimony and baroness goldie said this

1337
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,240
there's been nothing in the 50 years

1338
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:33,760
that says there's anything to it

1339
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,640
now that was always a lie to those

1340
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,520
people

1341
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,760
who have been involved in this subject a

1342
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,960
demonstrable lie

1343
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,640
because we know of incidents that have

1344
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,400
involved military pilots etc

1345
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,720
commercial pilots uh and that we know

1346
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:48,240
that the renders from forest

1347
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:51,280
uh case is a huge case that is often

1348
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,000
deemed

1349
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,720
the the successor to roswell that's its

1350
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,680
significance

1351
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,800
and i and i think that the part of

1352
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:02,079
the reason that rendelshim is still

1353
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,119
covered up

1354
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,200
is because it's potentially a game

1355
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,960
changer and that's why it's such a

1356
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:08,160
sensitive case

1357
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,160
because it holds the key to a lot of

1358
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,359
things potentially

1359
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,599
if the truth can be brought out and

1360
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,640
that's what

1361
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,839
we're endeavoring to do but yes i think

1362
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,720
if if you're basically saying that uh

1363
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,160
nuclear weapons

1364
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,640
uh storage area containing nuclear

1365
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,440
weapons

1366
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,079
and the ufo is above the uh nuclear

1367
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:29,680
weapons storage area and it's shining a

1368
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,720
beam down

1369
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,720
into the nuclear weapons storage area

1370
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,079
and it does a grid like

1371
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:36,480
search pattern of all the bunkers along

1372
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,839
the hot row

1373
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,119
in what would appear to be an

1374
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,280
intelligent action yeah

1375
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,680
and we've got a named witness now who

1376
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,200
will go on the record and say

1377
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,839
i saw that and i was inside so it's not

1378
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,359
a rumor anymore

1379
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,280
well so we've got a named witness who

1380
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:53,200
will say that i was inside when that

1381
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,760
happened

1382
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,440
but that's not me saying it that's him

1383
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,960
saying it a military witness it was

1384
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,520
there

1385
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,920
a firsthand military witness so that is

1386
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,440
a direct

1387
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,920
contradictory statement to baroness

1388
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,680
goldie saying that there's nothing

1389
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,599
well i would argue that has to be of

1390
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:09,440
immense defense significance

1391
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:12,960
so again by being so negative and so

1392
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,079
quick to dismiss the dni report i think

1393
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,440
that the uk government

1394
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,640
might need to think again in time and

1395
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,960
i mean you talk about the big cases like

1396
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,400
that that they need to pay attention to

1397
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:26,319
but there's even been small cases that

1398
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,119
are important

1399
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:30,240
like i think it was 2016 the

1400
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,640
an unknown object over the bristol

1401
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,720
channel that with the police helicopter

1402
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,800
captured well i investigated that case

1403
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:39,839
it was me that supplied that to the sun

1404
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:43,040
and i investigated that purely by chance

1405
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,800
i was on social media when i saw a tweet

1406
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:49,599
from the police spotter involved in that

1407
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,319
incident

1408
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,880
and he basically put out a tweet saying

1409
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,040
police helicopter spot or just seen this

1410
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:57,680
any ideas and it was done kind of jokey

1411
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,240
but

1412
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,240
in amongst that was the fact that it was

1413
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,480
provenance it said it was the police

1414
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,760
it was the police that put out the

1415
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,920
twitter and i think he probably got into

1416
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:07,359
a bit of hot water for that and i know

1417
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:07,680
the

1418
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:10,880
name of that person however um

1419
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:13,119
i immediately started banging an foi

1420
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,920
request

1421
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,240
and they were very kind enough to give

1422
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,760
me the footage

1423
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,760
seven and a half minutes yeah which i

1424
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,000
did supply in total to the sun but they

1425
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,160
only played maybe a minute or so of it

1426
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,280
but what they didn't give me and

1427
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,680
stonewalled me is they wouldn't give me

1428
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,440
any audio cockpit

1429
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,119
uh and i said look you can bleep out

1430
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:35,040
bits that is deleting to be anything

1431
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:35,839
sensitive

1432
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:39,040
yeah nothing i asked for uh access to

1433
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,000
the officer

1434
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,559
who put out the tweet nothing i asked

1435
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:43,440
for various

1436
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,359
uh incident reports oh there's no

1437
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:47,359
paperwork associated with this

1438
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,720
really i asked uh i i asked for the

1439
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,559
the geographical route that the

1440
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,559
helicopter took oh no we don't have any

1441
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:55,920
of that

1442
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,000
okay so they they they stonewalled but

1443
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,920
it's a very good case and the reason why

1444
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,040
i put it out

1445
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,079
is that it's it's far sharper uh

1446
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,720
than what you see with the three tic tac

1447
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,480
gimbal go fast videos yeah

1448
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:12,800
uh and i wanted to show that actually

1449
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,839
things have been seen in the uk as well

1450
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,920
uh on forward-looking infrared radar

1451
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,839
which is the same radar system

1452
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,680
and that object was moving against the

1453
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,559
wind uh had no heat signature no obvious

1454
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,680
propulsion system

1455
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,319
no tail no wings which is pretty much

1456
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,240
what has been described earlier

1457
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:32,400
in america so i wanted to put it out as

1458
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,440
a comparison

1459
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,359
and make this point that that's an

1460
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,040
unidentified object

1461
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,000
flying in uk space and baroness goldie

1462
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,839
he's probably not even aware of that

1463
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,920
and if she is then that's a question but

1464
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,680
she's probably not aware of that

1465
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,000
and i wanted to put it out there so in

1466
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,160
the now we know what the position

1467
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,400
of the british government is we will be

1468
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:54,079
pursuing that through isis freedom of

1469
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,200
information requests

1470
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:58,240
uh because they need to re-examine uh

1471
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,440
and they're they're gonna have some

1472
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:01,440
questions later on in the year for sure

1473
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,800
yeah if not just um so i mean you say

1474
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,079
you're focusing on the individual

1475
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:07,680
countries and governments what about the

1476
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,240
united

1477
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,319
nations is that a next step after that

1478
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,359
or

1479
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,720
what you've got to understand that most

1480
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,400
people don't realize what's required to

1481
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:16,160
get to the united nations yes we do want

1482
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,520
to go to the united nations

1483
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,400
hence why we registered to be an ngo to

1484
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,680
get to the united nations

1485
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,920
not to be an international ngo so now

1486
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,680
we're fully registered with an ngo

1487
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,760
you've then got to create a body of work

1488
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,280
over a number of years so we're in it

1489
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
for the long haul

1490
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,240
we're not for profit so we're in it for

1491
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,599
the long haul for the benefit of the

1492
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,559
subject

1493
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,800
so perhaps in two or three years time if

1494
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,480
you've done a body of work

1495
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,559
in your respective field they will say

1496
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,079
yes you can be granted what's called

1497
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,160
special consultative status

1498
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,480
to the u.n and at that stage there you

1499
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:48,240
can feed in questions

1500
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:51,440
to the un and it has to be

1501
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,040
a member country so i can't ever

1502
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,680
ask a question on the floor of the u.n

1503
00:52:03,349 --> 00:51:59,760
because i'm just a layer person

1504
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:03,359
you have to be a politically a part of a

1505
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,000
political

1506
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,880
country faction of the un uh un

1507
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,839
representative

1508
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,520
to ask a question on the floor of the

1509
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,880
u.n now

1510
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,440
where we are hoping to get to the un is

1511
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,359
that if we do good work over the next

1512
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,559
few years

1513
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,559
and earn that special consultative

1514
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:19,760
status

1515
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:22,800
we would like potentially for a

1516
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,319
small country to adopt isa

1517
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,319
and say we like what these are doing

1518
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:29,680
we're going to ask questions on behalf

1519
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,480
of isa

1520
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,240
but we're a member country and i can ask

1521
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,240
them because we're a country

1522
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:37,040
only countries can ask the questions so

1523
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,839
we're looking at

1524
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,359
some small countries which i'll not

1525
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:41,040
disclose at this time

1526
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,480
who are potentially open to that idea

1527
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:46,319
providing we do what we say we're going

1528
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:46,800
to do

1529
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,400
and do some good work over the next few

1530
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:50,480
years but the the key thing that we have

1531
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,119
to do

1532
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,119
is establish ourselves so we're in this

1533
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,440
first phase which i think might take

1534
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,520
six months to establish ourselves sure

1535
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,960
we're only five weeks in

1536
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,960
and we're getting lots of media original

1537
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,720
extremely busy as are all the other

1538
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,000
representatives

1539
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,839
some countries more than others some not

1540
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,920
at all because some countries

1541
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,079
there's like political upheaval uh for

1542
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,920
example yeah

1543
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,280
there's a lot of instability in the

1544
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,880
country and it's very low down but they

1545
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,720
are reporting on the dna report

1546
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,800
where they don't usually in germany

1547
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:20,800
which is one of the most repressive

1548
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,760
countries

1549
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,240
uh on this subject which is surprising

1550
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,400
uh they've had lots of media interests

1551
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,000
since the release of the dni

1552
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,480
so that is unprecedented so there are

1553
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:31,760
swings and roundabouts

1554
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,599
and a positive is that our argentinian

1555
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,079
national representative andrea simondoni

1556
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,240
has met with the defense minister

1557
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:43,359
specifically in argentina and we'll be

1558
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,839
doing

1559
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,559
open discussion about isis involvement

1560
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:47,760
moving forward

1561
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,960
so you also can see that

1562
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,240
a lot of countries are going to have to

1563
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,480
get their head around this and realize

1564
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,640
that as we move towards

1565
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,240
a conclusion that we're dealing with

1566
00:54:01,510 --> 00:54:00,000
some off-world intelligence

1567
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,520
yeah whether it be et or

1568
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,200
inter-dimensional or whatever

1569
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:05,200
or something not man-made yeah they're

1570
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,640
going to have to reflect upon this

1571
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,319
every country is going to have to elect

1572
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,559
reflect upon this because everybody says

1573
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,000
that as and when

1574
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,400
that acknowledgement is made that yes we

1575
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:16,000
are dealing with something that's likely

1576
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,040
to be extraterrestrial

1577
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,280
or non-human that it will be the most

1578
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,440
profound moment in human history

1579
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,480
and that will cause a lot of people uh

1580
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,640
some sleepless nights

1581
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,559
people are not gonna run to the hills

1582
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,079
like uh the uh

1583
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,440
awesome wells where all the world's

1584
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,920
broadcast in 1938 the world has changed

1585
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,119
people are still going to go to work

1586
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,799
still get on a bus still get drive to

1587
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,280
work

1588
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,839
go on a train but for some people it

1589
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:41,760
will come as a big massive

1590
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:44,640
uh psychological shock and there will be

1591
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,280
a certain

1592
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:48,319
element of fear created because of the

1593
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:50,079
vulnerability aspect which is

1594
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,000
understandable so we have to take

1595
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,400
steps and this is really one of the main

1596
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,640
reasons why ashley's out is to say

1597
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,280
all of us now and bear in mind that

1598
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,280
we're scientists who are like

1599
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,680
one of our scientists trained bulgaria's

1600
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:04,960
first astronauts

1601
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,400
he's a he's an astrophysicist at the

1602
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,119
bulgarian academy of sciences now he's

1603
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,200
on board and he's been pushing the uh

1604
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,480
the need for ufo research for decades

1605
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,640
often in conflict with the authorities

1606
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,079
who were you know trying to

1607
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,079
cause in trouble so you've got some very

1608
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,880
brave people you've got an astronomer

1609
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:27,599
called uh airmen and who's based in

1610
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,480
ireland

1611
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,720
who will soon feature in a book with avi

1612
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,520
lope

1613
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,680
so that's the level of astronomer that

1614
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:34,640
we've got

1615
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,760
and so it's a it's a mixture there are

1616
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,760
undoubtedly a lot of top researchers in

1617
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:41,920
the ufo field but it's a mixture

1618
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,440
we've got people many academics involved

1619
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,200
people who are professors in various

1620
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,960
subjects teaching at schools and

1621
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,680
whatever

1622
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:52,000
so it's a mixture and we're looking to

1623
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:52,799
increase

1624
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,079
but now that we've launched it really

1625
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:57,680
has to be about

1626
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,799
quality not quantity sure most of us

1627
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,799
were all appointed as it were

1628
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:05,680
through self-recommendation like he's a

1629
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,319
good guy

1630
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,319
or she's really good we should go get

1631
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:10,240
her uh so we're all kind of like

1632
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,440
self-appointed

1633
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:13,440
but now that we're out in the wide world

1634
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,880
we don't really know about

1635
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,799
what genuine research is being done in

1636
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,640
africa right

1637
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,559
well what research has really been done

1638
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:22,160
in countries in asia

1639
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,599
you know i thought it's trying to

1640
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:25,599
identify people who will do it in the

1641
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,480
right way

1642
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,359
with an evidential background that will

1643
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,119
do things in the right way and have got

1644
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,880
a long track record of research

1645
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:35,280
so that's not going to be a fast process

1646
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,000
and i

1647
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:38,240
i imagine that we'll soon get to 30

1648
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,040
countries

1649
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,760
but i think as much as we want to have

1650
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,720
more countries

1651
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,480
it will be a lot harder moving forward

1652
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:45,760
because we now have to

1653
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:48,559
vet people i think a lot harder because

1654
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,359
we've pretty much

1655
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:51,680
reached the total of the countries that

1656
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,480
we know where

1657
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,640
good research has been done so what's

1658
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,119
the current status with china

1659
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,599
with your relationship as i said and the

1660
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:00,720
chinese

1661
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,160
is there anything there well not with

1662
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,799
the original group but we made an

1663
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:07,839
approach to

1664
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,880
a recognized chinese researcher but we

1665
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,640
haven't heard back so we've made that

1666
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:13,839
we've reached out to

1667
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:16,799
a well known within the field uh

1668
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,680
researcher

1669
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,200
but he hasn't come back so well let's

1670
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,680
wait and see but i'm i'm confident that

1671
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,559
over the next

1672
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,480
year bear in mind that this is still

1673
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:26,000
very early on friday so we're only five

1674
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,720
weeks in

1675
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,119
yeah this is very early but i i can i

1676
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,880
can certainly say that i think we'll be

1677
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,160
up to 30 countries

1678
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,319
within a couple of months wow that's

1679
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,520
incredible

1680
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,200
and we need to take this global approach

1681
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,599
we need to all be recognizing now that

1682
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:41,680
we should all sit around the table

1683
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:44,960
and i wrote an article uh that's in this

1684
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,319
uh issue of ufo truth magazine about

1685
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:51,200
when science and academia finally meet

1686
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,079
ufology

1687
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:54,000
because we've got to now recognize it

1688
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,359
and people like

1689
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:58,559
mitchu kaku who were very skeptical

1690
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,400
uh in the past now pause the 2017

1691
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:03,920
release of those three videos

1692
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:06,240
he now says now it's a game changer i've

1693
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:07,200
studied those

1694
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:09,680
frame by frame now the presumption is

1695
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,559
that they are real

1696
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,720
and they're e.t and it's for the

1697
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,160
skeptics to prove otherwise

1698
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,000
so he's done a complete but you still

1699
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,720
got people like neil degrasse

1700
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,480
he was completely head in the sand it

1701
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,160
would appear

1702
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,720
or specifically specifically playing a

1703
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,200
role

1704
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,920
uh yeah we don't know but which may may

1705
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:30,160
be the case but he's in denial

1706
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,520
but eventually they're all gonna have to

1707
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:33,280
look at this because we

1708
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,799
want scientific data and the more it is

1709
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,880
studied the more the telemetry

1710
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:41,359
the more the instruments uh capture

1711
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,000
things

1712
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:44,240
the more we think you will soon rule out

1713
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:45,359
any

1714
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,280
uh hope of foreign technology people say

1715
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,920
uh i think people like chris mellon luis

1716
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,040
elizondo

1717
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:55,920
uh tom rogan basically said it's a one

1718
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,240
percent chance it's for on technology

1719
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,400
but they're just being kind of being

1720
00:59:03,829 --> 00:59:01,920
kind

1721
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,839
no that makes perfect sense and i agree

1722
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,040
with that as well and

1723
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,880
and i think uh i mean this is why i

1724
00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,240
wanted to speak to you because i

1725
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,839
as soon as i heard about iso i was like

1726
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:11,200
this is where the future is going to be

1727
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,839
coming from

1728
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,920
big organizations that are not they

1729
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,359
don't answer to the government or

1730
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:16,960
anything like that and it really is a

1731
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,440
push

1732
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,359
for the truth to actually come out

1733
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,280
that's what that's what it's all about

1734
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,280
that's all i've ever been interested in

1735
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,520
is the truth unfortunately

1736
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,359
people's versions of the truth as we

1737
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:28,880
know through politics

1738
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,240
can be varied absolutely

1739
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,079
you know people accuse me of well you're

1740
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:35,359
getting involved in the hawks with

1741
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,079
careful green

1742
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,359
well no i'm not i've talked to the

1743
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,960
people and the witnesses and those

1744
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:40,400
witnesses are going to be military

1745
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,880
people

1746
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:42,640
and it's not going to be my statements

1747
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,640
that corroborate whether larry warren's

1748
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,160
involved it's going to be their words

1749
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:49,040
not mine sure no and that's great i

1750
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:50,799
think people forget that sometimes they

1751
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,839
think because you're

1752
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,480
touching a subject that you it's your

1753
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,400
statements your beliefs your this that

1754
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,920
and everything but it's not you're just

1755
01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:58,720
kind of

1756
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:01,680
the together oh well i'm doing it

1757
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,559
conduit

1758
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,720
and i and i've pushed for the creation

1759
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:05,599
of isa

1760
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:08,559
to try to make a global change because

1761
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,119
we now

1762
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,799
need to start looking at this as a

1763
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:12,480
global issue

1764
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,680
it's not a country issue

1765
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:18,960
it's a world human race issue

1766
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,680
absolutely i agree well listen gary i

1767
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:23,200
feel like i've taken up a lot of your

1768
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,680
time

1769
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,359
um this would be something that i'd

1770
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,960
really like to pick up again it may be

1771
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:28,319
six months down the line i'd love to

1772
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,520
have you back on and

1773
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,119
and really see what's happened in that

1774
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,040
time um you're welcome

1775
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,839
uh obviously uh and i like i say i'm

1776
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,480
thankful

1777
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,839
that you give me the opportunity to

1778
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,680
speak and i think the fact that it's on

1779
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,000
video as well and going out on youtube

1780
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,000
he's good as well because people need to

1781
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,079
see the people who are trying to

1782
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:48,880
make a change and that's not just me yes

1783
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,079
you've got to have an ego

1784
01:00:53,349 --> 01:00:52,640
to do what we do but my ego is not for

1785
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:53,359
me

1786
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:55,119
yes i'm not bothered about money wealth

1787
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:56,480
or anything i just want to make a

1788
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:57,760
difference to this subject

1789
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:00,640
i have all i've done since the public

1790
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:03,040
since i went public in 2002

1791
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:08,000
and uh if that's my dying uh

1792
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,000
part of playing a part in disclosure a

1793
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:12,799
small part then i will die a happy man

1794
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:15,760
that's fun fabulous thank you so much um

1795
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,079
and

1796
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:18,079
yeah i think it'd be interesting to see

1797
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,599
where this goes but i can only see good

1798
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,720
things happening

1799
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:23,520
i will continue to to talk about isa

1800
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,920
across

1801
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:26,400
all my social media platforms to all my

1802
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:27,359
my colleagues

1803
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,640
um so yeah thank you so much and and

1804
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:33,359
please let's stay in touch as well so um

1805
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:34,319
absolutely

1806
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:36,839
we've discovered we're only 15 miles

1807
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,190
thank you again and and enjoy the rest

1808
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,480
of your evening um

1809
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,559
yeah i've got waiting to go to at nine

1810
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:48,000
o'clock and i say meeting at nine

1811
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,720
o'clock so

1812
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,040
the world doesn't stop thank you very

1813
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:53,680
much thank you gary take care my friend

1814
01:02:01,029 --> 01:02:00,150
guys what an excellent hour that was i

1815
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:01,039
really really

1816
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,799
really wanted to speak to gary about the

1817
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,400
work that isa were doing

1818
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,280
um i think it is going to be a huge part

1819
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:08,640
of the future

1820
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,839
um so yeah if you if you

1821
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,920
follow me on any platform if you're one

1822
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,200
of my colleagues

1823
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:17,440
then you will see me talking about iso a

1824
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,039
lot in the future

1825
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,880
so guys thank you so much for everyone

1826
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,039
that here that is watching live

1827
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,799
thank you for the super chats those that

1828
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,720
did i'm sorry if i didn't get to answer

1829
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,440
or ask and answer all the questions but

1830
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:31,280
let's uh hope we can speak to gary again